В постах выше упоминался термин пруф-лайк.
Ancientnoob New moderator: Gusev New moderator: World of Coins From ancients to euros and everything in between. Please login or register. Are they produced by different methods? Hereit is mentioned that proof is NOT a grade. The low-hanging fruits are still there maybe for a reason. Priof is how I and most in Europe use these terms: To make a "proof" coin, you polish lke the blank and the die.
To make a "prooflike" coin, you use polished dies. There are liek problems though. First, "proof" is a much more common and established poof. And as far as I know, with silver and gold pieces, the difference between Proof and PL is pretty much negligible. Pdoof other issue is that "prooflike" may have varying meanings - for example, the Canadian Mint used or uses it in a different sense.
But liek many catalogs and magazines they are simply called "PP". That is short for "Polierte Platte" which means Proof Figleaf Administrator Honorary Member Posts: Proof has a mirrored surface and "white" raised parts, prooflike is mirrored all over. I agree with Christian on how the effect is achieved. Proof and prooflike coins do not have bag marks. Look at a video of a modern press. Priof will come spitting out, they are transported on conveyor belts, dropped into buckets, touched with bare hands at quality control, skidding in and out of washing, counting and packaging machines.
I have seen how proofs are struck in Utrecht: An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history. Coinsforever Moderator Honorary Member Posts: Figleaf on January 29, Here is how it works: A coin is by definition never better than unc, because it is the highest grade. The three production methods mentioned under 2 are costly, so ,ike produced in this way are sold above face value, making them unsuitable for circulation.
Proofs and prooflike coins are not necessarily unc. They can be ljke any grade though below ef they are usually no longer recognizable as proofs if they like mishandled or put into circulation by mistake. There are two confusing elements: Americans and some Britons may see no difference between proof and prooflike and may treat BU like a grade KM does. This is mostly the result of commercial pressure and a tendency of grade inflation, that collides with unc being the highest grade.
Thanks peter for nice information. For Indian coins, unc may be problematic. Coins are often weakly struck, so proor. Also, metals are sometimes incompletely mixed or the chemicals used during striking have not been washed off properly, resulting in stripes of different colours running across the coin. Such coins may be unc in a technical sense: However, grading is оф сайт ака about the visibility of detail.
Therefore, some collectors would reject such coins and continue to look for profo better copy. Here, a US invented concept may be useful: A coin with streaks running over it may be unc, but another without discolouration may have better eye appeal. Eye appeal is personal and emotional. Биография индилы US collectors are ljke looking for weird patina.
Many coins of China and Canada are not struck for circulation, but only to be sold to collectors. Their mints take special care like these pieces. They may well rise to 3 рубля 1987 level of bu without being advertised as such. However, they are most often high denomination coins, where there already is a high seigniorage, so it is even practical to issue a handful in circulation llke not happen in China, I think.
This is because mints are well aware that advanced collectors dislike pieces that do not circulate, so they want to muddle the issue as much as they can. This is not lying, cheating or deceiving, it is called marketing. And thanks to Christian, too: This is achieved by highly polished dies which have frosting corresponding to relief areas. I understand that in foreign countires. There is no awareness about different grades.
Most of the collectors unaware Regards Sanjay Kansal. SanjayYour comments are value addition to this thread. In other countries also, higher pressure and slower speed are part of the process of making prpof proof. Yes, frosting mostly partial frosting occurs also on circulation coins of some proof. My favourite example is Proof. My favourite theory is that because the presses do not need to turn out very large quantities of coins, press capacity is optimized exactly by striking slower and using the extra time to set the press to apply more pressure.
However, the dies for circulation coins are obviously not polished, prof the frosting effect is relatively weak, wears off quickly and disappears progressively as the dies is used. As the dies are not polished, I think lkie coins should be called unc possible with the notation: I think this would be in accordance with Indian practice.
Rather than have "professional" grading experience in the US shows that it is also subjectiveI would prefer to educate collectors. Likf is why I welcome threads like these. Anybody who can Google can find out more here. This is another excellent thread with excellent illustrations.
Thanks to all those who contributed! I know one thing. I think the term UNC should be attributed to set or special coin allocations only. As to me UNC means exactly that. Not made for circulation. Would prooof make life far more simple. Unless by design by the mint itself is just a shiney coin or the first run llike of a new dye.
I am sure many of you have had coins that have hardly any luster like a matt finish. So neither should proof-like for business strikes.The first few hundred coins struck from a new (or newly polished) die will usually exhibit some degree of mirror, or prooflike (abbreviated as "P-L') surface. The degree of prooflike surface may be noted in the grade description. (For example: MS, Prooflike MS, deep mirror prooflike.) The degrees of P-L surface may. 29 янв. г. - First, "proof" is a much more common and established term. And as far as I know, with silver and gold pieces, the difference between Proof and PL is pretty much negligible. The other issue is that "prooflike" may have varying meanings - for example, the Canadian Mint used or uses it in a different sense. Пруф-лайк (англ. proof-like) — подобные пруфу. Этот термин появился для обозначения качества монет, которые внешне похожи на пруф, однако монетный двор не гарантирует, что при их изготовлении технология «пруф» была соблюдена полностью. К примеру, считается, что пруфом могут называться.